now, israel, remember, they have egypt that is no longer a reliable partner in the south. they have hezbollah becoming more anxious, has 30,000 missiles pointed at israel. hamas has been engaged in activity. they feel they're under siege, and they can't afford to let iran get a nuclear weapon. we -- i think -- i believe there are capabilities we can engage in, short of war, believe me, that can help slow the program down, that we are just a little short of doing, i think. >> do you think that bombing those key facilities, whether it's -- is that short of war, in your opinion, or would that spark a war? if we use one of those massive ordinance, penetrators, 30,000 ton bombs that can penetrate deep under the ground where you say they have been placing some of their facilities? >> well, again, i would be cautious of -- short of war. i will say that -- >> so that's not -- that would be war. okay. >> well, in very targeted strikes, we use very targeted strikes against al qaeda. and so if it is a very targeted strike, many would argue that that is one -- that's short of war. and